Simple Ways To Stay Healthy | An Interview With Dr. Thomas Rohde

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Simple Ways To Stay Healthy

Dr Ryan Cleland:

All right, everybody. Hey. This is Dr. Ryan and we’re here with Dr. Thomas Rohde. He’s a friend of mine. We’ve been acquaintances and become friends over the past, let’s just say a year, just to keep it easy. We both run integrative clinics. He’s a medical doctor, whereas obviously I’m a chiropractor. It’s just great that we can get his expertise. He’s highly, highly trained in functional medicine. He’s been doing this for years and helps a lot of people. He practices out of Decatur, Illinois. My college alma mater hometown. I went to Millikan. There’s connections all over the place. But so Doc, thanks for coming on.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Well, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. I like the kind words too. Thanks. 

Dr Ryan Cleland:

What’s that? Oh yeah, you’re a smart guy.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Yeah. Sure.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Like we talked about before we jumped on, we’re really just trying, one of the big goals of these podcasts are to just to help people figure out their way through this. Not just to treat one thing. But to ultimately strengthen their immune system because treating anything, prevention’s worth it. An ounce of prevention is worth it to find a cure. Right?

Dr Tom Rohde:

Right.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

In your opinion right now, what are some things that you and your wife, and your staff, and also that you’re directing your patients to do to not only just try to treat one thing, but trying to just trying to stay healthy overall and strength immune systems?

Dr Tom Rohde:

Well, what are we doing personally? I always think gut health is important. My wife and I are both gluten intolerant. We’re gluten free. We eat a pretty grain-free diet most of the time. Really do intermittent fasting most of the time.

Dr Tom Rohde:

For me, intermittent fasting means my cup of coffee in the morning with a little heavy cream in it. Then for lunch I’ll usually have a salad with some sort of leftover meat from dinners prior on it. Then in the evening, like this evening, we had salmon with some broccoli. All healthy foods. Really I think that’s the biggest thing that people need to think about going forward is we’re going to have another virus, whether it’s the influenza or another different offshoot that we’ve never seen before, in the fall. What are we going to do?

Dr Tom Rohde:

We need to really work on getting ourselves healthy. The things we’re doing, obviously I take some supplements to augment that. I take my multivitamins and fish oil. We do our own kombucha, which is great to keep gut bacteria healthy. I still take a probiotic as well. Then, with this whole viral thing, I’ve added in some extra vitamin C, a little extra zinc, which is good for us as guys for prostate health. Kicked up a few extra supplements to keep our gut healthy.

The Importance of a Healthy Gut

Dr Tom Rohde:

Then, because I do functional medicine, we do a lot of IV treatments in the office. I have access to Ozone. I’ve got a small Ozone generator at home. I don’t know how people will like this. But I do rectal Ozone in home three days a week. 

Dr Tom Rohde:

Everybody thinks, “Well, that’s disgusting. How can you talk about this stuff?” I said, “Hey, I’m just trying to keep healthy and sometimes you’ve got to do drastic things.” I don’t think it’s that drastic. It really is a very simple thing to do that takes a couple of minutes in the morning to do that. If that keeps me healthy, it keeps my immune system in great shape, I’m willing to do that stuff. I think that’s important.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Yeah. Absolutely. We have an Ozonator in our practice as well. I know you’re a big Ozone guy. First off, you mentioned gut health. Obviously we believe nutrition is very important.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Absolutely.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Avoiding gluten. It sounds like you don’t eat too much sugar as well.

Dr Tom Rohde:

We try to avoid that. I mean, I hate to say it, I think everybody should have a little chocolate every day. I think that’s good for your mood. I’m sticking to that story. That’s like my cup of coffee in the morning.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

A big Snickers bar? One of the big ones?

Dr Tom Rohde:

No, no, no. I’m talking about… Not a Snickers bar. I’m talking about maybe something 70% chocolate. Something like that. Too many other good ingredients in those Snickers bars. I’ll leave those for everybody else that eats what I would call the SAD diet or the Standard American Diet. I think that fits better in their grocery cart.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

There you go. All right. Nutrition, obviously paramount. You’ve got to build everything from there. You can’t eat crap and expect for good health. But you mentioned gut health. I know that we’ve talked numerous times about keeping a healthy gut and what comes with that, or potential leaky gut, or SIBO, or overgrowth of non-beneficial bacteria, or Candida, et cetera.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Why don’t we jump into that a little bit? We didn’t talk about that in our previous one. What are some things that you look for? Let’s just say someone comes in with some immune system issues or they’re just fighting different things and if you’re going to start there.

Focusing on Your Digestive Health 

Dr Tom Rohde:

Well, I’ve always told people if you don’t test you’re really just guessing at what’s going on. You can go by clinical symptoms and get some idea what’s going on. But some of the testing that we do now has DNA signature technology and the GI map that we use in the office is amazing. It’s crazy some of the things that I pick up that you would never guess. People have traveled out of the country seven or eight years ago and they turn up with some pathogen or a parasite that’s been riding around with them for years.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

For seven or eight years? Really?

Dr Tom Rohde:

Absolutely. I had a lady that came to see me. She immigrated to the United States from… It was

Nicaragua or someplace like that 20 years ago. She’d been told she has irritable bowel, had numerous scopes, all kinds of medicine for gut. Turned out she had some parasite I’d never even heard of before. I had to look it up in a book.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Then we figured out she had this parasite. I don’t even remember what it is now. It’s been a year or more that we did this. I actually had to find medicine for compassionate use for her to take. But the crazy thing is she took her medicine, she came back to see me three weeks later. She said, “I feel normal again. My gut hasn’t been this good in 20 years.” I mean literally.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Wow.

Dr Tom Rohde:

It’s crazy. I had another gal, she works at the hospital. She went to Belize on vacation. When she got home she had gut stuff. I always ask people if they go on a trip or travel outside of the country, and people travel all over, did you get gut sick when you were gone?

Dr Tom Rohde:

In Mexico we call it the [Chorizo 00:06:28] Diet. Don’t know what you want to call it anywhere else. But she treated herself with diet. Things settled down. But then a year and a half later her symptoms flared up again and she couldn’t get it fixed with her diet change again. She came in and she literally had a parasite she picked up in Mexico had been traveling with her.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

I’ll be darned.

Dr Tom Rohde:

You bring extra baggage home you don’t know about. But we talked about bacterial imbalance. We talked about SIBO, which is basically bacteria in the wrong location. You can figure that all out with testing and you can make a big difference for people in a fairly quick amount of time. I had a gal in today that had E coli, the type you get really bad food poisoning from, and she’s been dealing with this she said two years. She’d come in, two years she’d been dealing with this.

Dr Tom Rohde:

She was going to a party and she was going to go pick up one of those premade salads from the deli at the grocery store, and she got sick after she ate that. She’d been through different antibiotics. She’d seen her gastroenterologist and that and same thing. She still had the E coli in her gut. We treated it. Again, three weeks later she’s a completely different person.

Dr Tom Rohde:

With that knowledge it makes a big difference. I know nobody likes to play in their poop. But then I’m an odd guy and do rectal Ozone, right? I just told you that. But if you can get people to do a specimen, you can really get some idea of what’s going on. It makes a big difference rather than just guessing.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

You do a lot of fecal testing then in your practice?

Dr Tom Rohde:

Yeah. Anybody that comes in with a new patient that has autoimmune disease, anybody that comes in that’s had any sort of gut complaints, we just almost automatically do a stool test anymore. Just because that’s where everything begins. I guess the simple way to think about it, I tell people, “If you drive a gasoline car and you pull up to the gas station, maybe you’re talking on the cell phone and you’re not paying attention, you put diesel in it by mistake, it’s not going to run very well. You’re going to get out of the gas station-“

Dr Ryan Cleland:

I have actually done that on accident. I was in a hurry and my car didn’t make it to the road. That was a expensive tank of gas.

Eating Healthy and Boosting Immunity

Dr Tom Rohde:

It is. But it’s the same thing. Like you said, you can’t expect good outcomes if you put bad stuff in. During this whole pandemic thing, going to the store has been a little interesting because look at what people are buying to eat. It’s all the pizzas, and the chips, and the sodas, and all that stuff. It’s no wonder that people are worried about getting sick because they’re not taking care of their health. Simple dietary changes are amazing.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Yeah. It’s pretty wild that the canned food aisle and the chip aisle is about empty. Then the fresh

vegetables it doesn’t even look anybody’s even touched it yet.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Yeah. Educating them about that. Once we have some testing back, we can figure out what we need to do treatment wise for it. A lot of times you can use natural supplements to help heal the gut. I do a lot of high dose probiotics too. That’s a good thing to do as well. But getting the gut fixed makes a big difference for immune health. We figure out 70 to 80% of our immune system resides in our gut. It’s really important.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Yeah, absolutely. Just once you get it working properly, keeping it working properly.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Yep. That’s just putting good stuff in all the time.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Sure. You make your own kombucha?

Dr Tom Rohde:

Yes we do. Anne, my wife, usually has about two gallons brewing in the kitchen. Then we always have second fermentation. My kitchen looks like a beer brewery literally. But it’s all kombucha. It’s all healthy stuff.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

There you go.

Dr Tom Rohde:

The second flavorings are great. Actually had a lady that came in the other day and she’d bought some at the store and she didn’t like it. Anne gave her a sample of our latest batch. It has organic cherry juice in it. It was really good. It tastes like cherry soda. She said, “Man, I want to buy some of that. That’s good.” You can come up with all kinds of things. We put ginger in it. We put organic blueberries. You can flavor it with just about anything.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Huh? I can’t say I’ve ever done that. But I try to find, if I’m going to drink kombucha, I know if you get it at the store a lot of it’s got a lot of sugar in it.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Yes it does. You got to be careful with that. Well, next time I come down to visit, I’ll bring you a bottle of my homemade hooch. How does that sound?

Dr Ryan Cleland:

There you go buddy. I’ll give you some deer sausage and you can have some-

Dr Tom Rohde:

Right.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

I’ll take some hooch.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Great.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

That’s good. All right. First off, I mean, we’re going to be wanting to make sure people have a healthy gut.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Right.

How a Healthy Digestive System Leads to a Strong Immune System

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Healthy gut’s going to help to stimulate a healthy immune system. Obviously. Like you said, 80% is going to be stimulated by those little healthy babies. Those little bacteria floating around in our gut and attaching in our gut. I mean, don’t those make that… The bacteria in there also help us actually digest and even create certain vitamins. Don’t they?

Dr Tom Rohde:

Absolutely. They make a vitamin K, so it helps keep our clotting in shape, our bone health. Our immune system. I don’t know if anybody has ever heard of Clostridium difficile, which is an overgrowth of the bad bacteria. If you take antibiotics for something, and I actually had the brother of a patient of mine that died in the ICU because they couldn’t get his diarrhea from that fixed.

Dr Tom Rohde:

What we’re doing for some people, because of all these antibiotic, what do you call them? Resistances. They’re doing fecal transplants. Very interesting. I mean, you’re taking somebody else’s poop and putting it in your body to fix your colon again. Re implant healthy bacteria.

One of the things we’ve figured out is we’re really transplanting DNA too I think, the bacterial DNA. Because they’re actually, the FDA got after people because what happens if you have a skinny patient and you put poop from a fat person in them? They start gaining weight and vice versa. If you get a fat patient and you give them skinny person bacteria.

It controls our metabolism as well. There’s actually some clinics that started up, of all places, in California where you could go and get a different person’s poop to lose weight. The FDA shut that down. But they do. They affect how we think, how we function, so it affects mood as well. It’s amazing. The bacteria are more important probably than our own DNA. I don’t know. Crazy stuff.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

A lot of serotonins develop in the gut. Correct?

Dr Tom Rohde:

Absolutely. The majority of our brain chemicals are made in the gut. There’s a direct connection to gut brain connection with that. Healthy gut bacteria. I had a lady that came back today for a followup that had problems with anxiety. Actually her husband brought her in for me to fix. She came back and she said, “You know? Ever since we got my gut fixed up,” she said, “I’m not having any more of my crazy spells,” as she calls them. Her husband was really happy about that.

How Ozone Can Boost Immunity

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Wow. Interesting. You’re doing a lot of gut work then? Do you use Ozone for gut on

a lot of your patients?

Dr Tom Rohde:

We can do ozone for that too. If we’ve got autoimmune disease tied with that, we do a lot of work with alternative help for people going through chemotherapy. That stuff can be pretty hard on the gut as well. Have them doing rectal Ozone at home to help boost the immune system or keep their immune system functional while they’re trying to get their cancer treatment. That’s been helpful too.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

How is the rectal Ozone increasing immunity? How is that helping strengthen immunity?

Dr Tom Rohde: 

Well, first of all, Ozone is three oxygen molecules together. The Ozonites that are created when they go into the gut, first of all, you’re oxygenating. But the Ozonites also get into, they’re absorbed through the gut mucosa and they get into the circulation. Those Ozonites stimulate a healing response in the body.

It’s really not the Ozone itself that’s doing it. But the Ozonites as they’re transformed into that that stimulate a healing response.

Dr Tom Rohde:

We’ve had really some great outcomes doing IV Ozone. The rectal Ozone is something people can do at home. Some crazy things we’ve had that people have improved doing the Ozone at home. That’s really a simple thing to do. Using that to keep yourself healthy right now is easy to do as well. I know my daughter’s doing that also. We’re kind of crazy in our family.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Hey, I’ll tell you what, if crazy… Most people that are crazy, they’re doing things differently, and that’s a pretty good idea right now I think.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Correct.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Not following the…

Dr Tom Rohde:

No. I’ve been outside the circle for a long time, so to speak.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Yeah. No. I’m with you. A lot of people said we’re… I’m sure you get it too.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Oh. There are still a lot of traditional doctors that look down on us. Some of the crazy things you hear. We do IV vitamin C. I know you do some of the IV treatments in the office as well. That was literally one of the things that worked to kill this COVID virus in Wuhan, China. I’ve got the protocol to use in my office.

Dr Tom Rohde:

The docs were starting to experiment with that in New York, because they had all these sick people that came in, and the FBI came in to shut them down. That’s just so frustrating when I see things like that. We have tools that could help with some of these things and they’re not accepted. They’re actually rejected mainly because they don’t cause any side effects.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Yeah. Nobody’s making too much money on it. They got to they got to make sure to lock that up.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Yeah. But, so instead they’re going to do some hydroxy chloroquine that can cause side effects.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Yeah. They’re even trying to take that away, aren’t they?

Dr Tom Rohde:

They’re trying. An interesting fact about that, it actually increases the zinc concentration in the cell, which is antiviral. I think really honestly, for treating that or preventing the virus, that’s one of the benefits of that.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Yeah.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Then decreasing that cytokine storm, because it’s an anti-inflammatory. That’s why it’s used for

rheumatoid arthritis treatment too. It’s actually multifactorial if you will. But it can have side effects with the heart and vitamin C doesn’t do that. Simple stuff.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

There you go. What else? What are the things that you guys are doing that you… because we were talking in the last podcast. One of my concerns is not where we’re going to be in 30 days, but what could potentially happen in 90 to 120 days? You know? It’s when everybody starts getting out and everybody thinks… the virus doesn’t just run away.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

It doesn’t just pass through like the Passover in the Bible and then it just, as long as you got your goat blood on the door, you’re okay today. As long as you wear your mask until May 31st then you’re okay. Then you can go outside and lick door handles again. What are things that you recommend to your patients to continue to do? Just to constantly do? I mean obviously diet is one. What are some other things that you guys…

Staying Healthy in The Midst of a Pandemic

Dr Tom Rohde:

Well, one of the things that I probably struggle with with my hours that I keep is sleep. Because sleep is important for your immune system. Getting regular restorative sleep if you will. If you’re not sleeping soundly through the night, that affects your cortisol levels. Cortisol directly reflects back on stress. How is your stress?

Dr Tom Rohde:

It’s one of the things I did when I was doing some of my Facebook Lives for my people. I talked to them about turning the TV off. Quit listening to all this stuff about the virus and go outside and listen to the birds chirp. Go for a walk. Go do something with your kids. Because this 24/7 noise

really kicks up your stress and that stress suppresses your immune system. It can adversely affect your gut bacteria actually. Simple things like work on ways to decrease your stress.

Dr Tom Rohde:

I’ve had people tell me, “I can’t go to the gym. I’m used to working out at the gym three or four days a week and I’m really stressed out.” I said, “Well, just get out and walk, or start jogging or something like that. There are plenty of things we can do where you don’t have to go to a gym.” But sleep is an important thing and I think that’s good.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Then putting together a reasonable supplement program. People spend lots of money on their Starbucks drive through. I think it would be a great investment to put $100 toward a reasonable supplement package to have that available to take all the time. I tell people multivitamin, probiotic, some vitamin D. Those are three simple things you can add in. Then maybe some fish oil too because it’s a great anti-inflammatory.

Dr Tom Rohde:

But that’s a great baseline to start with for people to take to be ready. Because we know the next flu season is coming. Just traditional flu in October. What are we going to do from September until March or April of next year? Are we going to be quarantined for six months this time around? How are we going to do this? I really think we need to get prepared for that in advance.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Yeah. You said you do IV therapy. Do you personally do an IV every once in a while? Or do you not usually mess with it until you’re-

Dr Tom Rohde:

Yeah. I have been. I actually did a Facebook Live at noon one day. I just jump in there and had them plug me in with Myers cocktail. Which is B vitamins, vitamin C, and boost that up. I’ve done something for the first responders in Decatur. I told them, “Hey, any of the first responders, so firefighters, police and paramedics, you want to come through once a week and get a B12 shot we can do that easily.”

Dr Tom Rohde:

We’ve offered a discount on Myers cocktails for people to come in. Anything we can do to help boost their immune system right now is simple. But vitamin C is great. IV, we do that also. I don’t know. A lot of people just don’t know about it is the big thing. That’s why I’ve been trying to push out just getting people to understand what’s available for them.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Sure. No. Absolutely. That’s the thing. We have so many tools in our tool bag. Especially in these integrated medical clinics.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Right. Well, it’s just like you. You do adjustments. That helps the immune system as well. You know? For people coming in and having a regular adjustment done, I think that’s great. You do the IV’s as well in the office. Those are all things we can offer people. It’s just getting them to understand that those are beneficial.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Right. Might as well pack. You do IV’s. You’re a big gut guy. When you’re doing nutrition… because a lot of times I’ve heard as little as 15% of the supplements that we take get absorbed into the bloodstream.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Right. That’s correct. That’s the problem. That’s why I’m so big on getting the gut fixed first. Because people come in and they may be taking… I joke about this. Some people come in with a bag of supplements because they watched Dr Oz and The Doctors and they tell them, “Oh, you got to buy this supplement and that supplement.” They come in with all these supplements. Yet, when I do some of the nutritional testing, we find out they’re low in D, and B, and iron. It’s like, “Okay, so that tells me your gut’s not absorbing all that stuff.”

Dr Tom Rohde:

Like you said, basically they’re putting a lot of stuff in, but it’s not being absorbed very well. If you can get the gut working more efficiently, it’ll do a better job of absorbing that. Even if you’re eating organic food, if you don’t digest it well, and I see so many people that lack enzymes to help with digestion. That goes back to absorption. If you can’t digest the food and the supplements, you’re just going to end up with expensive poop.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Yeah. Well, that’s good for those fecal tests.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Yeah. I don’t know who it’s good for. But that’s why I’m so big on getting the gut fixed first. That’s really the first step for me.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Yeah. Let’s see here. What other questions? Anything on your mind? Anything in just what’s going on that you’re just wanting to preach from the mountaintops for some folks to hear?

Start By Healing Your Body

Dr Tom Rohde:

I don’t know about preaching from the mountain top. My biggest thing is just letting people know. That’s what I’ve been working on is pushing out ideas. The body’s designed to heal. We can do things to help it recover from that. People with diabetes. Why were they at higher risk for this? Well, simple. We can fix traditional diabetes. I mean, if you’re a type two diabetic, all you got to do is cut back on the carbs. How about doing some intermittent fasting like I do? Or even thinking about doing a three day fast.

Something like that.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Because when you cut the calories down, that helps your body heal. It gives it time to really work on clearing out the junk you got stored up in your body and give your body a time to recycle if you will. When you think about what’s happening with the earth. In one way, this whole period of the lockdown was great because the air was cleaner, the water seemed to be cleaner.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Yeah. It’s crazy.

Dr Tom Rohde:

We’re driving. The same thing happens with the body I think if you give it a time to heal like that. Fasting is a great way to do that. In Europe and Germany I know there’s an oncologist, a doc that I want to go over and spend a little bit of time with. They’re having some pretty good successes with extended fasts treating cancer. It actually works better than any of the chemotherapy.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Then they combine it with Ozone. They combine it with some of those other high dose vitamin C

treatments as well. They’re having some pretty good outcomes with that. I think fasting is a wonderful thing to add into the diet. We eat way too many calories because it’s available all the time. I know we just kind of graze all the time if you will.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Yeah. When you’re not spending all that energy on trying to digest food, your body can focus on cleaning.

Dr Tom Rohde:

House cleaning. Right? A lot of the things we eat actually, I would say, in simple terms, it gums up the liver and so it can’t do the housekeeping. If we do hormone testing, I see a lot of women that come in with an elevated estrogen level, which actually increases the risk for breast cancer and uterine cancer longterm.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Again, if you don’t test, you don’t know that. But if their liver is gummed up because they’re drinking six diet sodas a day, and you can get rid of those artificial sweeteners and the liver starts working better. Do some cleanses with that. Add a few supplements in. A lot of times you can work on improving their hormonal balance just by doing that also. Again, housekeeping is important.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Yeah. No. You get the machine running right for the immune system to work.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Yeah. The big thing is I just want to get the word out to people that we have all these opportunities for them to help improve their own health. A lot of this doesn’t require anything. People say, “Well, but it’s expensive to eat well.” Yeah. Okay. But if you haven’t got your health, what have you got? I think the best investment I can think of people making is to work on the foundation and keep their gut healthy, their immune system healthy, and then it helps prevent things. If you don’t go to the doctor three times or four times a year because your blood sugar is out of control, how much money does that cost you? Avoid that.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Loss of enjoyment, lost quality of life. If you’re just laying around.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Right. Yep. I don’t know. I see my job as a doctor really educating people and working myself out of a job. It’s kind of like parents. We raise our kids up. If we do a good job, we work ourselves out of a job. That’s kind of what I see my job is to educate people and help them work myself out of a job. They should be able to pick up the ball and take care of it. Maybe come in and see me once in a while for a little boost or something like that.

Dr Tom Rohde:

But most people really don’t understand that. I guess that’s the biggest thing is people just don’t

understand that the stuff they’re buying at the store isn’t healthy for them. You think about some of the foods. We all live in Illinois, and you think about some of the chemicals that get sprayed on the fields. Those interfere with immune function too.

Dr Tom Rohde:

The glyphosate is my particular one that I dislike. A lot of people don’t understand. They all say, “Well, glyphosate is perfectly fine. You could drink it.” Yeah. But if you do that it’s going to kill your gut bacteria. But it’s on residues, you know? Part of my reason for being pretty much grain-free is we just avoid all the grains that are grown in this country. They have the glyphosate residues and glyphosate is antibacterial.

Dr Tom Rohde:

The wheat crop gets sprayed with that before it’s harvested. But you’ve got all those Roundup residues. Every time you eat something with wheat produced in the United States on it you’re killing some of your

gut bacteria because it’s antibacterial. That’s how it kills the weed by hitting that pathway that generates energy for the plant as a bacterial pathway, and it kills our gut bacteria.

Dr Tom Rohde:

The end result is such a huge increase in autoimmune disease. That’s because every time you eat those things, you get a little bit from this food, a little bit from that food, a little bit from here, and you’re damaging your gut bacteria. That ultimately ends up injuring the immune system. All you have to do is turn on the TV at night and see somebody selling something for some auto immune disease.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Oh man. They’re everywhere.

Dr Tom Rohde:

They are.

Stop Living With Pain

Dr Ryan Cleland:

You have people that are just chronically in pain. They’re just hurting all over and they can’t figure it out.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Yep. They’re inflamed. Same thing. That’s good for you. You can help them out with that. Right? You get people out of pain all the time.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

That’s the goal. Sometimes they got to do a little work on their end too though.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Absolutely they do. But unfortunately Americans like those pills they get at Walgreens and CVS and that’s why they’re on every corner.

No. I think people are getting smarter because they’re tired of having side effects of medications and that.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Yeah. Absolutely. I’m with you. Any final words or anything that you can think of? I mean, you’ve ran through a lot of different information. You’re going have people’s heads… if they’re taking notes, their heads are going to be exploding.

Dr Tom Rohde:

I hope not. But just there’s so much information available out there on the internet. I think everybody’s trying to help educate people right now. I think that’s really great. Avail yourself of that. I’ve got stuff on my website. I’m sure you’ve got stuff on your website.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

What is your website? What’s the name of your website?

Dr Tom Rohde:

https://www.drrohde.com

If they want to go there, we push stuff out. We have educational materiall, some of the pod… Not podcasts. But some of the Facebook Lives I’ve done we’ve got posted on there on

immune health. Got my list of supplements that are on there. We’re going to be pushing out some other resources for how to make sure you’re getting clean water. That’s an important thing because everybody assumes water is okay. But again, I like a little bit cleaner water than most people think is okay. We’re going to start posting more of those things on the website as well because, again, it’s a lack of understanding.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Sure. Awesome doc. Well, I’ll tell you what. I appreciate your time. I know you have a busy, busy week and a busy, busy schedule, so thank you so much for taking the time.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Yeah. I love doing stuff like this. I love to help people understand. Like I said, my job is to educate people and I love that. It’s just like you. Every time they come in, they get a whole lot more than they pay for it. They get some education. Well, no, seriously. That’s what we should be doing, you know?

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Well, that’s why I reached out to your wife because I knew she’d answer my emails and phone calls.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Yeah. That’s the only time I do it is at the end of the day. I don’t have time.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

I know. The end of the day sometimes is at 4:00 AM.

Dr Tom Rohde:

No. That’s when it begins.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

When you were up the other night doing notes until like 4:00 in the morning or something.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Yeah. No, no, no. I wasn’t up until 4:00 AM. I went to bed at 10, and then I got up at 4:00 AM.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

All right. Good deal. I was going to say man, that poor guy, he’s going to need some sleep.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Yeah. Well, and that’s why I mentioned that. I told you I did that up front. I said, “That’s one of my biggest problems is really working on getting enough sleep on a regular basis.” I do seven or eight hours a night. I do work on that.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

That’s good.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Minimum is seven.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Yeah. Good deal man. We need to keep you healthy. We need to keep guys like you out there healthy.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Keep working on it. Well Ryan, thanks. I appreciate it. I love doing this kind of stuff. Let me know if you want to do some other topics. I love that.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Yeah. Absolutely will. I like the gut stuff. Obviously you are passionate about it and you have a lot of knowledge. We’ll touch base here soon. But thank you for your time.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Thanks for having me on. Appreciate it.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

In D town. Don’t let that staley air get to you too bad there. All right?

Dr Tom Rohde:

I’ll bring you some hooch when I come by.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

That sounds good. I’ve got a stick of deer sausage for you.

Dr Tom Rohde:

All right.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

Dude, have a great night. Thank you again.

Dr Tom Rohde:

Stay healthy.

Dr Ryan Cleland:

You too sir. Bye bye.

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