How We’re Boosting Immunity
Do You Have A Strong Immune System?
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
We’re here with Dr. Tony Hyser. He is an old classmate of mine from back in the day. In the interim… And he can tell us a little bit more about what he’s been doing over the last 13 years. But one reason I wanted to get him on here is, he’s extremely knowledgeable with the immune system and boosting immunity. I know that because we just through different things, via Facebook, phone calls, et cetera, et cetera, through different topics, and he’s been a part of an integrative clinic like mine. So he’s working hand in hand with other medical professionals, but he’s also got a holistic background.
And so that’s why he’s going to see this from a bigger view than just only being one or only being another. And so that’s why I wanted to have him on here. So Dr. Tony, thanks for being here.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Thanks for having me, man. This is awesome.
The Importance of a Strong Immune System During COVID-19
Boosting Your Immune System and Your Kid’s Immune Systems
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Right. So a big thing that we’re going to touch on is not how to cure anything today, but we’re going to just try to figure out what can we do as human beings to be healthier, to have a higher quality of life, to have a strong immune system? Because I don’t know about you, but I don’t think that injecting ourselves with a artificial X, Y, or Z is the answer to boosting immunity, especially creating lifelong strong immune systems that we can take on the next flu or the next COVID 20 or 21 or 22.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
That’s right.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
So what are some things that you are doing? First off, what are you doing for your family? What are you and just your family… Obviously all of us are a little bit stuck in the houses and stuff like that. So what do you guys do?
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah, absolutely. So listen, one thing we know is, stress is not good for our immune system. So in times like this, people are generally fearful or scared and some people have a have a right to be, and some people may have their fear a little overblown because they don’t understand certain things. And so, one thing we want to do as a family first, is talk about what risk is. Is it something that we need to be concerned with? And then also, how to take good safety measures, right?
Dr. Tony Hyser:
So we’re not opposed to washing our hands or being careful with those things. But here’s what the Dr. Fauci… A lot of people know him. He released something in the Lancet Journal last week, that it talked a little bit about risk. And so, some people won’t take an umbrella out if there’s a 30% chance of rain, right? But if there’s a two percent chance of contracting COVID, they get very concerned. And so, this is why I think where we have to differentiate a little bit of, how serious is this for our age brackets and our risk profiles?
Does that makes sense?
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Yeah, absolutely. So like with your kids, how old are your children?
Dr. Tony Hyser:
I have four. So I have 14, 12, let’s see, nine and almost five.
Managing Fears and Stress Surrounding COVID-19
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Okay. So you’ve got kind of… You got the early ones, and you got the teenagers. So what are some things besides just letting them know about understanding the fear, because obviously fear’s being sold pretty hardcore to everybody right now. You can’t turn on the radio or television without being almost scared to death.
So unfortunately our kids, and I don’t know if you’re experiencing, but some kids are distancing themselves from my daughter, and they’re getting very worried, but so what are you guys doing in addition to education? Just telling them just not to… You know, be smart or not just be fearful, but what other things do you-
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah. For sure. I do have a list of just therapeutics that I think are smart to take for boosting immunity, and I’d like to get into that in just one second. But I really think that… My daughter had a friend who their parents told her she could no longer work or do anything else for awhile now, because they’re just very concerned until the vaccine comes out. That could be a long time, and there’s still a lot of fear. And so the first thing I want to do with the kids, not just educate them, but explain what actual risk factors are.
So what Dr. Fauci said is, if you’re under 40 years of age, the case mortality rates have never been higher than 0.16, and so if they said if you’re under nine years of age, which that would be two of my kids, the case mortality rate is 0.00161. And so, it’s very very small, and a lot of people may not know this. If you’re talking about any type of virus, most times the medical community has something called the Arnott Value. It’s kind of a funny name, and I know you know this, but for people that may be listening, the Arnott Value basically says, if I simplified it, it’s just how many people is an infected person going to then infect?
Right? How many people is it going to pass this on to? Some people will remember MERS or SARS in this last decade that we dealt with. Both of those had a higher Arnott Value than COVID-19 does. So what they’re basically saying is, they are more infectious than COVID-19 is, and if you take the… They’re saying right now about a 2.2, and if you’re taking it in perspective, measles is about a 12 to 18, so about six times the infectious rate of COVID-19.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Okay. So that’s really good information. I didn’t know all those numbers. I don’t read all those journals like you do.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah, I’m a nerd.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
That’s why you’re on here. We need to learn from the smart people. So in addition to washing your hands and stuff like that, what are you guys doing? So here’s also a problem for parents, right? It’s like, what a 14 year old understands and will do is way different than what a five year old’s going to understand and do. Right? Because you’ve got to work on-
Dr. Tony Hyser:
That’s right.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
And there’s a whole other… That’s a whole… Mine’s nine, right? So she’s-
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yep.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
But also too, it’s like we’ve got to sometimes twist her arm a little bit to get her to do what we want her to do. So what are some strategies that you guys are using?
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yep. So obviously, hand-washing and social distancing. Look, my kids… My youngest is five years old. He likes to suck his thumb. He’s four years old, excuse me. He likes to suck his thumb. It’s hard to keep his hands out of his face. In one regard, it’s very difficult to do this with kids.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Sure.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
And so, we’ve really concentrated, especially if we go out anywhere, that we’re just really careful about that. But we have a supplement regimen I can get into a little bit.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Sure.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
I do want to comment one thing. I really liked what you said about building a strong immune system and strengthening immune system. Some health practitioners I hear talk about increasing the immune system, and I understand what they’re trying to say, but really it’s about modulating the immune system, making sure it’s functioning optimally. We don’t always want to send it up, right? Sometimes a lot of the people with COVID problems actually have what’s called the cytokine storm. It’s almost an increase in inflammation, and our immune system’s almost going on overdrive like an autoimmune disorder.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
And so, I really like what you said about having a strong immune system, but we want to make it optimal.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Yeah.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
As well. Make sense?
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Absolutely. So one thing, obviously we’re chiropractors originally… That’s how we got into healthcare.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yep.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Like for me, always making sure… And I’m not going to get on a chiropractor soapbox, but always making sure my family’s getting adjusted minimum once a week, also myself, knowing how that modulates and helps. It will do that same thing. Right?
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
So it will bring that immune system, and it’ll bring that back into balance. So that’s one thing that we’ve been doing, boosting immunity. I’m guessing that you probably do too-
Building A Healthy Defense and Boosting Immunity
Lowering Your Risk of Comorbidities
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Absolutely. So we clearly want to talk about diet and talk about chiropractic care. Listen, the healthier your body is, clearly… A lot of the news articles are basically saying the people that are running into more serious consequences with the coronavirus are the people that have comorbidities, right? The people that are not healthy, whether that’s heart disease or lung disease or a blood sugar issue. They’re the ones that are having a harder time with the consequences of COVID.
They’re actually saying right now, generally between 80% to 85% of people that are infected with the coronavirus are either asymptomatic, meaning literally have no symptoms the entire course of infection, or they only have mild infections. Excuse me, mild symptomatology. So what that means is, the majority of people, even if they did get coronavirus, if their immune system is strong enough, they’re just going to handle it, and they’re not even going to have severe problems.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
And so, I think you’re hitting the nail on the head here. Focusing on making sure your body’s running at optimal function, the baseline for us, we want to make sure that we’re getting them adjusted once a week at least, and that we are also looking at their diet, making sure they’re getting lots of good fruits and vegetables, not eating lots of processed trans fat, sugar, artificial sweetener type foods.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Sure, yeah, absolutely. Plant-based, good healthy meats, et cetera. Let’s see here. So like a couple of supplements I give my daughter, I try to, every day is like a fruit and vegetable based supplement, because she likes it. She’ll do it.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah. There you go.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
And then also too, we always try to make sure omega threes are a part of that.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yep.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Try to make sure that she’s getting some sort of probiotic and you know, not always just a probiotic pill, but some food based probiotics as well. What are some other things that you guys are doing in your household?
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah. I mean, you hit the nail on the head. That’s in large part what we do, but there are a couple that I would recommend for people that feel like, “Hey, I’m a little nervous right now,” especially when it comes to respiratory disease. There are mild therapeutic options, and there are some that are a little bit more intense. The first thing… What’s that?
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Bring it on baby. Let’s just-
Dr. Tony Hyser:
All right. All right. Let’s get into it.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Some people are crazy like us man. They’re getting IVs, they’re getting you know-
Strengthening Lung Health And Boosting Immunity
Dr. Tony Hyser:
So some of the easier ones to do, the very first baseline, study after study has now come out talking about, especially when it comes to respiratory illness, so talking about the lungs or breathing, like a lot of problems people are having, is vitamin D levels. Vitamin D levels, they say if you are suboptimal, you’re raising your risk for respiratory illness. And so, one thing I tend to see when a lot of patients bring their labs in, the lab variations can be quite broad.
To get technical, vitamin D is measured in nanograms per deciliter on your lab. And I’ve seen anywhere from 30, all the way to 100 being in normal range.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Right.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Okay? So if someone’s walking with 30 nanograms per deciliter, it’s not as protective as I would like. I really like it more in the 50 to 70 range, and so some people come in with their labs and, “Hey, the lab says on normal,” but I don’t think you’re getting the protective measures that a lot of the studies are coming out saying. So the only way to know your vitamin D levels for sure is to get a blood test. That might be a little hard for people right about now, but if you are low, a common recommendation is to take 50,000 per week.
So I just tell people, “Hey, if you think you’re low, especially in the winter time… We’re just kind of getting into spring. 5,000 international units a day for an adult, safe dosage for just a period of time until you have a chance to draw your own and take a look at it.”
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Sure. Okay. Yeah. So I notice in our office, we’ll use a liposomal vitamin D if we’re really trying to pop them up real quick.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah, absolutely.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
And vitamin D3, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, and that’s a whole nother podcast, right? Or a whole nother-
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Well good. So vitamin D is a big one obviously.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yep.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Once you get into this world of integrated medicine, you start forgetting about the basics, you know? Like the basics of boosting immunity
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Doing chiropractic care, I mean, it was vitamin D3. That was the number one bad boy.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
That’s right. That’s right.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
It’s amazing how much better they felt just off of that. So what are some other things you guys focus on?
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah, so sometimes we have to differentiate too, between preventative and therapeutic, right? So a lot of what we touched on is more preventative. There are some things that are also more therapeutic. So there’s some other preventative things. Obviously, one thing I think we’ll talk about here in a minute is vitamin C.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Sure.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Some people are… We know in China where this obviously started, they first started treating coronavirus patients with IV vitamin C, and so I know certain hospitals here in the US have now adopted that as well as an adjunct therapy. You might not have access to IV vitamin C, but one thing you can do is, you can take either lysosomal vitamin C, you can order that, or you can also take vitamin C orally, and the only problem with taking too much vitamin C is it’s going make your bowels start going a little bit if you take too much.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
But that also helps you understand a little bit, if you’re getting to higher dosages. And so, what I generally will tell people, depending on if you’re a child or an adult, you’ll take a certain dosage a couple of times a day, and if you start getting loose stools, then you know you’re kind of getting to bowel tolerance on that. So you can definitely up your vitamin C. Vitamin C has been shown to be virucidal, so especially at higher doses. So it’s a real simple, easy way.
And vitamin C is a water base vitamin. So you’re just going to urinate out what you don’t use.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Right.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
And so, it’s a really cheap, easy way to help.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Orally, is there a type that you like best? I know there’s what? Like a buffer-
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yep.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Different ascorbic acid, bufford powders, et cetera, et cetera.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah, liposomal bufford is really good. What a lot of the studies are showing… I mean, so when people talk about vitamin C in the general sense, it’s ascorbic acid. But if you’re talking about some of the other flavonoids that go with it as it’s shown to increase absorption. Sometimes you’ll see rose hips put in vitamin C. You’ll see other flavonoids. It’s basically for absorption of that. The other thing we do know with vitamin C is, if for whatever reason you’re taking iron in a multivitamin, you have to be a little bit more careful, because vitamin C will help your body absorb iron at a little bit higher capacity.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Sure. So all you folks with low iron, just increase your vitamin C, and who knows? You may have a-
Dr. Tony Hyser:
That’s one thing you can do. You got it.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Side note. There you go. Just learned something else. Okay, so we’ve got the basics. What else you got?
Strengthening Your Immune System Against Respiratory Illness
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah. So one thing we saw recently with a couple different studies, some actually were coming out this past year, even before this hit. When we talk about respiratory illness, a lot of people are talking about melatonin. Melatonin, probably have recommended it yourself for sleep issues. Melatonin is produced by the pineal gland, and as we get older we don’t make as much of it. They’ve done multiple studies now that have shown an alveolar fluid, which is the little sacs down the lungs, and just measuring the floating cytokines is how they say it.
These inflammatory cytokines are modulated by melatonin and melatonin agonists. So they’ve done multiple studies where they’ve given melatonin… Even people on vent… So a lot of people are questioning whether or not are helpful right now in large part with as many people that are using them. They’ve actually taken people on ventilators and given them either melatonin or a melatonin agonist, which means just helping the body use melatonin or make it, and the people they give this to actually had less of those inflammatory cytokines pool in the lungs.
And so, even from a therapeutics, even if you don’t want to do it preventively, from a therapeutic standpoint… Now, it doesn’t have 100% cure rate. That’s not what I’m saying.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Sure.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
But they’re seeing improvements. And so, it’s a pretty simple thing you can do at home or if you feel like you have the mild symptomatology, you’re not in the hospital or anything like that. But it’s a simple thing, and you might even get some better sleep out of it.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
There you go. So yeah, I’ve heard they’re using… And I may be wrong, but aren’t they using melatonin now for even like… I know it’s a well known antiinflammatory.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
It is. Yeah.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Also too, like some cancer, right? I mean, are they-
Dr. Tony Hyser:
They are. They’re using it as an adjunct therapy and as an anticancer therapy. So-
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
That would make sense I guess, right? Because cancer’s an immune system problem, and if we can help to regulate and modulate the immune system, cytokines, boosting immunity, etc
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah. So I mean, generally, who are most at risk right now? Well, generally people that are 65, 70 years of age plus. The highest risk factors were 80 plus years of age, and it was like 7.82 mortality rate. But if you think about it… I’m not saying melatonin is the end all cure all here, but as you age, a lot of people’s pineal gland in the body calcifies to some extent, and you don’t make as much of it. So you know a lot of people have a hard time sleeping as they get older, and so this is one thing that can be beneficial.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Huh. So one interesting just side note, actually… And you maybe have heard about these, but the peptides out there.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
That Epitalon has been shown to decrease calcification of the pineal gland.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Isn’t that cool?
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Yeah, it’s pretty crazy, because they were actually saying how Epitalon, or Epitalon, whatever the heck… However some people-
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
But yeah, they actually are showing that it helps to increase telomere length, and a lot of guys are using it in their lifespan or their anti-aging protocols.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yep.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
They’re showing what it does is it actually helps to decalcify the pineal gland.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Pretty amazing what we’re learning nowadays isn’t it? Geesh.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
But so what else man? I know like I said, in our office, we’re definitely promoting IV nutrition because we have it.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yep.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
A lot of places don’t, but I mean, 100% assimilation of nutrients. I mean, we’re doing vitamin C, glutathione, B vitamin, everything, really everything, magnesium, et cetera. It’s all good. But we do the high dose vitamin C like that.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yep.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
What are your thoughts on all that stuff
How You Can Build A Strong Immune System Right Now
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Guys, if you are listening in Dr. Ryan’s area, you need to go see him. I don’t live anywhere near him, he’s not paying me for this, but I’ll tell you what. IV nutrition is… A lot of people have gut problems, and they don’t absorb things. Even if you don’t have a gut problem, there are certain things that are just not absorbed very well. So we know… Let’s take calcium for instance. Calcium carbonate is the cheapest form of calcium. And so, if you go to a lot of stores to get vitamins, vitamin companies want to make money too, and so they have different forms of calcium they can put in there.
Calcium carbonate is basically limestone, and your body will absorb it, but it is dependent on your stomach PH. So depending on what time of day you eat it, what type of meals, is your stomach PH… Some people have ulcers or problems with stomach PH, right? And then the amount that you’re taking, you may not get what you’re needing, and you may not know anything about it. When you talk about IV nutrition, you just bypassed a lot of those problems.
And so, not everyone can do that, and I understand that, and there are things that we can do if you don’t have access to it, but it’s relatively inexpensive, and it’s a really good way just to get in there and get that nutrition you need.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
So in your recommendation… So a lot of people always ask me, if we’re talking about just health maintenance, right?
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yep.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
What would you say in your recommendation with IV nutrition for instance? Because obviously we don’t want to just rely on IVs all the time. You’d have-
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Sure.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Like a heroin addict.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
And it’s also, you want to give your veins a little bit of a rest, because-
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Sure.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Et cetera. But on a maintenance dose for just a… Let’s say a Meyer’s, Meyer’s cocktail, which is going to have a little bit of everything in it.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yep.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Did you guys have IVs in your office? Or do you have IVs?
Dr. Tony Hyser:
We were going to put them in. We didn’t do it right away, and so we had basically an office that was a quarter of mile away from our practice. And so, we kind of just sent people there, but we did recommend them.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
So how often would you say… I mean, not thinking about finances, but just how often would you-
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah. So it really depends on people’s health status to some extent and what they’re willing and able to do for boosting immunity. You’re right, I wouldn’t do it daily, and it depends on what you’re getting as well, how much. But certainly every couple of weeks would be, I think, would be a fine thing to do. Once a month, just something that you can kind of throw in. Some people that may have partied a little bit more than other people could probably benefit from someone that’s not.
And so, it really just depends on what is your diet, what is your level of party, party animal score, and so-
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Everybody I think’s partying less, but I hear that everybody’s drinking more now.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah, right? Reverse curves there, right? So yeah, clearly something that people can look at. And so again, if you’re concerned or you’re wanting just, even as a temporary measure, it can be something you could utilize to help you.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Well, like I always say too, it’s like maybe do a high… If you’re a healthy person, do a high dose C once a month, and then maybe do a Meyer’s two to three times a month, something like that, to where you’re still getting those… Again, it’s all dependent on what you’re willing to put towards it, but especially now, right? And that’s my concern, right? It’s like everybody thinks whatever happens, whether they lift these bans or not or whatever, and this is… Hopefully people will continue to listen this because it’s going to be pertinent for years in the making.
But you know, it’s like if we don’t focus now, we’re eventually going to be let out of the cages, right? And then we’re going to be exposed to the next whatever because there’s going to be mutations coming down the line. I mean, it’s already happening. And so, it’s like we can’t continue to hide out in our homes, and we can’t rely on some artificial immunity to solve our problem because it doesn’t work with flu vaccine, so why would it work with COVID vaccine? That’s at least my two cents.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
But whatever, I’m not here to debate vaccines. So we’re reducing stress, we’re going to increase vitamin C, increase vitamin D. Let’s see, what else? Melatonin, which was a really… Honestly, that’s one that I haven’t even thought of. I didn’t put two and two together with the whole-
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Sure.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
IV nutrients if you’ve got them. What else?
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah, there’s at least one more combination I would want to throw in there. I mean, there are other things as well that I think that for general health are helpful. But when it comes to talking about viruses, one thing that we do know, it’s not… Again, I’m not talking miracle cures or anything like that, but we do know that zinc in the right quantities can help with viruses. It can stop viral replication. So the problem with zinc is, you can take too much of it. Zinc works with copper in the body.
Zinc is one of those things that, it’s got this range. If you have too little, it’s not helpful, and if you have too much, it’s not helpful. But you need to be in this certain range. Some people that may not know how to take zinc, or if they’re not sure, one drug that’s been in the news lately is the Chloroquine, and I’m not trying to get into whether that works or not. But one thing that we do know that Chloroquine does is, it’s a zinc ionophore.
And so it pushes zinc past the cell membrane a little bit easier. So is there anything supplement wise that could do the same thing without any… You don’t have to go to the doctor or any prescription, and there’s been a couple studies that said yes. There are actually two different substances that are zinc ionophores. So they help push zinc past the cell membrane a little bit easier.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
I think I know what you’re going to say, because I just saw a big… One of our colleagues just getting all over Facebook right now for this. Go ahead.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Oh really? So the the two that are… Then I’ve seen three different studies now that have shown these two substances to be zinc ionophores. My favorite is quercitrin. I’m not sure if that’s who they were referring to. The other one was Epitalon galley. And so quercitrin’s the one that… ECG. Quercitrin’s the one that we use, because we have it for allergies here. It also works as a natural anti-histamine.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Yeah, just for like again, the cytokine storm stuff, right?
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Exactly. So that’s one of my favorites to be taking right now, is a little bit of zinc with some quercitrin.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
I’m going to get a pen, just because I want to make sure and write this stuff down. This is things that we’re getting here in our practice, and we’re also making sure that I have it at home. So-
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
The quercitrin’s help pushing zinc across the-
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Cell membrane. Yep. Yep.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
So when you say there’s a sweet spot with zinc, what are… Because I know some things we’ll do on a blood test, we’ll look at like out phos, if out phos is over 70 I think, it’s usually… That was the number that was given to us, that they were deficient. What are ways… But also too, like you said, there’s a balancing act with that and copper. So how do you balance that?
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah. So one pretty easy way… A lot of people don’t necessarily have access to the blood tests, especially if there are stay at home orders, et cetera. The one thing with zinc with most people, if you have adequate or too much zinc, just by putting like… You can get little zinc lozenges or tablets for your mouth. Zinc will kind of make you nauseous if you have too much of it. And so, one thing I tell people to do is go suck on a zinc tablet. If you’re starting to feel nauseous, you’re probably okay in the levels.
I would probably just stick to taking it every once in a while, or adding some quercitrin, just to make sure your body’s absorbing it even better, would probably be my recommendation. Some people-
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Sorry, it’s my phone.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
That’s okay. That’s okay. Some people do have a problem just with… Because it isn’t metal, some people have very sensitive palates with it. You can have sprays or you can do IV zinc as well if you need to, but the majority of people, if they just try a lozenge, and suck on it for a little bit, if they don’t feel nauseous, they’re probably good to take it at least every couple of days for the period of time that they’re nervous about getting sick.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Sure yeah. No, that’s in my whatchamacallit? But I was taking it too, because actually zinc’s supposed to help with testosterone levels.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
It does, yep.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
We do a lot of HRT here, and so when I was trying to naturally get my testosterone the way I wanted it, I would hammer in zinc
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah. Yep, you’ve got to be careful with zinc. So generally, I think most people, 50 to 70 milligrams, but I really liked the lozenges, the little tablets. It’s just an easy way if you’re… Generally, the body will give you a little bit of response, but… And again, I don’t think you have to take it everyday forever, but during those times that you’re a little nervous that I don’t want to get sick, I think it’s healthy and safe to do.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Cool, man. That’s awesome. Yeah, the quercitrin zinc thing, that’s awesome. I’ve been researching quercitrin a lot, I’ve been hearing it a lot.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
And I know it’s been out there forever, and heck, it’s been in supplements that we’ve used for seasonal allergies, but I’ve been hearing it more for all this other things as well. So that’s really, really cool. All right. Well, I’ll tell you what, we don’t want people to start falling asleep with all this stuff.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah, right?
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Dr. Ryan Cleland:
So anything that you can… To wrap it up, Tony, what are your thoughts on all this man? What’s your strategy moving forward? I mean, in addition to all this nutrient stuff and boosting immunity, what’s in your back pocket?
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah. So I mean, be smart. Don’t be scared. Be prepared. Right? So here’s what I tell people. Remember too with this, they’re saying that the virus might mutate, it might be cyclical. So it’s going to come back. With the vaccine that’s coming out, like you, I’m not trying to debate it, but just a couple of facts on it. It’s a new type of vaccine technology. They used to be able to… Well, they still do, in large part with a lot of vaccines, they grow them with egg, on eggs. This one, they’re taking a spike protein, and it’s like a new way of technology.
And because they’re fast tracking it, they’re not going through some of the normal safety trials. Not saying they’re not doing any, but they’re not doing some of it. It’s an RNA encoded virus, and so like the flu shot, we don’t know success rates yet. In the last 15 years, I think the efficacy rates for the flu shot has been over 50% only three times I believe. And so, a relative coin flip, it’s just not something that I think you should go do without asking questions about it. Right?
And so, I think some of the things we talked about today can also be good strategies for the normal person to use, and too remember guys, if you’re listening to this, know your age bracket, right? If you’re under 40, 0.16 is the highest they’ve said is the case mortality rate. I mean, you’re talking barely over a 10th of a percent. And to get to a point where we-
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
And that’s… Think of all the unhealthy people, you know what I mean?
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Right? They’re all included in that.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
I mean, cancer patients under the age of 40 or you know-
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yep. Yeah. Yep.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
That’s a big span, right? I mean, I would like to consider us on the healthier end of the spectrum. I mean, heck, you just increase your vitamin D levels, you may be on the five percent healthiest people on the planet, right?
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yep.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
A lot of sick people out there. And so-
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Absolutely. In the last two minutes, I’ll just say this. Remember, naturally when we didn’t have vaccines, you acquired herd immunity to help protect people. And so, some epidemiologists are saying right now that if we shut down or self isolate too long, there’s a potential to actually increase the amount of infections out there. And so, what they’re saying is the low risk people, it might be good to have them exposed, because quite honestly we probably don’t even know the numbers that have already been exposed to the coronavirus because of testing has been so poor and the rollouts, that I think a lot of people probably have already had exposure to that.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
The few studies that have been out have shown a pretty high percentage of people already have antibodies to it, which basically means it’s been exposed more than we think. So getting the lowest people to get their exposure levels up, to get closer to that herd immunity that’s going to protect the immune compromised people, or in the high risk profiles as it is.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
Awesome. No, that’s… Dude, I’m with you 100%. And lastly, I mean, can you have herd immunity through vaccination?
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Oh man, that is a very long subject.
I don’t know. That’s another podcast. That’s another podcast.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
All right brother. Well hey man, I appreciate you greatly, dude. Thank you so much for being willing to just get on here and talk with me. I know we don’t get to talk nearly as much as we all need to, but-
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah, thanks for having me.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
No, absolutely, man. I knew you’d have some awesome, just awesome insight on all this, and just some great little things that we could all be doing. I mean, I know you’re a family man. You’ve got faith, and you just do it for the right reasons. And I just appreciate you and all the other folks out there like you. So let’s keep in touch. Absolutely, I wouldn’t mind doing a little a side… Might have to put it on the dark web or something, just-
Dr. Tony Hyser:
There you go.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
I don’t want to put a target on our head, but-
Dr. Tony Hyser:
Yeah.
Dr. Ryan Cleland:
I appreciate you. Good luck in the future, man. And let’s keep in touch, and God bless you and your family.
Dr. Tony Hyser:
You too, man. See you later.
